Ain't that the truth. I think it has got even worse than when Sjogren originally wrote these words 33 years ago. Now-a-days I think most Americans see evangelical being a synonym for conservative.
Ain't that the truth. I think it has got even worse than when Sjogren originally wrote these words 33 years ago. Now-a-days I think most Americans see evangelical being a synonym for conservative.
If I understand correctly this, combined with the heavy influence of right-wing politics and conspiracy theories around COVID-19 prevalent in his church is part of what led Sjogren to eventually leave Vineyard Fellowship and join the Catholic Church.
in addition, the Catholic Church has been becoming more evangelical over the past few decades. A "personal relationship with Jesus" was never mentioned when my dad was a kid growing up in the Church. Now-a-days it is a common theme I hear of multiple times a year during homilies and throughout additional Catholic media and events.
@re@d.jimfulner.com is "personal relationship with Jesus" an evangelical thing? I'm not Christian but I had Bible study in 6th grade in 2002 and our workbook had a question "why do you want to become friend with Jesus" (I wrote "I don't, this class is brainwashing" and got sent to the principal's office lol).
@re@d.jimfulner.com is "personal relationship with Jesus" an evangelical thing? I'm not Christian but I had Bible study in 6th grade in 2002 and our workbook had a question "why do you want to become friend with Jesus" (I wrote "I don't, this class is brainwashing" and got sent to the principal's office lol).
@Tellington@millefeuilles.cloud YES, that's pretty much the only thing that is evangelical. Evangelical comes from the word evangelizing, which comes from getting people to "proclaim their lives for Christ" say some magic words and "get saved"
@Tellington@millefeuilles.cloud YES, that's pretty much the only thing that is evangelical. Evangelical comes from the word evangelizing, which comes from getting people to "proclaim their lives for Christ" say some magic words and "get saved"
@re@d.jimfulner.com Bible Study was (kinda) mandatory as part as my middle school curriculum (private catholic school, my parents could legally have exempted me from it but nobody was so they didn't want me to get excluded) (maybe Bible Study is not the best word, we call it "catéchisme" in French but it seems like in English "catechism" is a text?)
@re@d.jimfulner.com Bible Study was (kinda) mandatory as part as my middle school curriculum (private catholic school, my parents could legally have exempted me from it but nobody was so they didn't want me to get excluded) (maybe Bible Study is not the best word, we call it "catéchisme" in French but it seems like in English "catechism" is a text?)
The CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) is what we call the book in English. It's a summary of all the teachings of the Church. Catechism class is where you are instructed in the teachings of the CCC.
I am a convert to Catholicism. While my dad was raised in the Church he left when he was about 20 and was more-or-less an atheist, or at least a "non-believer," if there is a difference. Later he and my mom became born-again evangelical Christians when I was ~5 years old, so I was primarily raised in evangelical/charismatic circles. Like most American Protestants we changed churches every time we got a new pastor that said something challenging. I digress. I didn't go through Catechism class until I was 20, at the prompting of the Holy Spirit, and my wife did likewise …
The CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) is what we call the book in English. It's a summary of all the teachings of the Church. Catechism class is where you are instructed in the teachings of the CCC.
I am a convert to Catholicism. While my dad was raised in the Church he left when he was about 20 and was more-or-less an atheist, or at least a "non-believer," if there is a difference. Later he and my mom became born-again evangelical Christians when I was ~5 years old, so I was primarily raised in evangelical/charismatic circles. Like most American Protestants we changed churches every time we got a new pastor that said something challenging. I digress. I didn't go through Catechism class until I was 20, at the prompting of the Holy Spirit, and my wife did likewise 14 years later just for my benefit when she was 32, so I have little point of reference with your experience.
Our daughters are unschooled so that's a bit different from going to a Catholic school. My oldest daughter went through Faith Formation classes at our local parish K-6 but chose not to continue her religious education in 7-8th grade by attending catechism classes to become a confirmed Catholic like most of her classmates did. (I suspect most didn't really have a choice, even though my understanding of Church teaching is that each individual must chose to be confirmed themselves). My youngest is considered going into first grade and she'll be in her second year of faith formation this fall.
As a public-school kid myself I just assumed you were speaking of a voluntary Bible study like before/after school, I might have considered that when I was a teen, but my parents weren't about to drive to town to drop me off when their taxes already paid for a school bus. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
